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		<title>By: Dr. Nancy Malik</title>
		<link>http://koantum.wordpress.com/2007/03/21/homeopathy/#comment-1820</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Nancy Malik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 11:19:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Homeopathy cures even when Conventional Allopathic Medicine (CAM) fails</description>
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		<title>By: Ulrich Mohrhoff</title>
		<link>http://koantum.wordpress.com/2007/03/21/homeopathy/#comment-1762</link>
		<dc:creator>Ulrich Mohrhoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 05:59:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Bob: thanks for your comment and sorry for this late acknowledgment. I agree with all you say, but I would add that the effects of &quot;allopathy&quot; are almost to the same extent enhanced by (if not due to) the placebo effect as those of homeopathy. &lt;a href=&quot;http://astore.amazon.com/09738606-20/detail/0742547922/102-2294451-3854552&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Irreducible Mind&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt; (&lt;a href=&quot;http://71.18.123.59/ojs-2.1.1/index.php/antimatters/article/view/21/23&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;my review&lt;/a&gt;) has a very interesting section on the placebo effect.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob: thanks for your comment and sorry for this late acknowledgment. I agree with all you say, but I would add that the effects of &#8220;allopathy&#8221; are almost to the same extent enhanced by (if not due to) the placebo effect as those of homeopathy. <a href="http://astore.amazon.com/09738606-20/detail/0742547922/102-2294451-3854552" rel="nofollow"><strong>Irreducible Mind</strong></a> (<a href="http://71.18.123.59/ojs-2.1.1/index.php/antimatters/article/view/21/23" rel="nofollow">my review</a>) has a very interesting section on the placebo effect.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Brueck</title>
		<link>http://koantum.wordpress.com/2007/03/21/homeopathy/#comment-1761</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Brueck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 16:59:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it is very challenging to evolve much of an opinion concerning homeopathy without a context that includes positive responses a la a placebo effect, and highly specific to the situation data such as is available from controlled hormesis studies.

And the more I think about it, I think serious consideration of the subject is so open-ended as to even require assumptions and/or conclusions about broader considerations, such as the influence of desire, intentionality or expectation (etc.) as agents of change in the physical.

bob brueck</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it is very challenging to evolve much of an opinion concerning homeopathy without a context that includes positive responses a la a placebo effect, and highly specific to the situation data such as is available from controlled hormesis studies.</p>
<p>And the more I think about it, I think serious consideration of the subject is so open-ended as to even require assumptions and/or conclusions about broader considerations, such as the influence of desire, intentionality or expectation (etc.) as agents of change in the physical.</p>
<p>bob brueck</p>
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		<title>By: Ulrich Mohrhoff</title>
		<link>http://koantum.wordpress.com/2007/03/21/homeopathy/#comment-1760</link>
		<dc:creator>Ulrich Mohrhoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2007 14:11:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is noteworthy that the Greek pharmakon (hence pharmacy etc.) means both drug and poison. The use of precious metals makes sense since they are chemically the most inert. Hahnemann&#039;s use of incantations is news to me.

For the rest, see &lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://thisquantumworld.com/wordpress/2006/08/11/und-so-schliesst-er-messerscharf/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this previous post&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is noteworthy that the Greek pharmakon (hence pharmacy etc.) means both drug and poison. The use of precious metals makes sense since they are chemically the most inert. Hahnemann&#8217;s use of incantations is news to me.</p>
<p>For the rest, see <strong><a href="http://thisquantumworld.com/wordpress/2006/08/11/und-so-schliesst-er-messerscharf/" rel="nofollow">this previous post</a></strong>.</p>
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		<title>By: Kapitano</title>
		<link>http://koantum.wordpress.com/2007/03/21/homeopathy/#comment-1759</link>
		<dc:creator>Kapitano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2007 03:56:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &quot;active ingredient&quot; in homeopathic sleeping pills is usually caffine. The earliest forms of homeopathy recommended giving the victim of a rabid dog bite a dilute solution of the rabid dog&#039;s saliva. A varient recommended eating the literal &quot;hair of the dog that bit you&quot;, and we retain the idiom today.

Sometimes, when people refer to conventional medicines being used &quot;homeopathically&quot; they mean &quot;in a highly dilute form&quot;, but this is a metaphorical use of the term. Samuel Hahnemann himself used the example of Arsenic being deadly in large amounts, less deadly in small amounts, and used as an aphrodisiac and angina treatment in very small doses, because it makes the blood rush.

It makes a kind of limited sense. If large doses kill and small doses are actually &lt;i&gt;beneficial&lt;/i&gt;, then maybe &lt;i&gt;very&lt;/i&gt; small doeses are &lt;i&gt;very&lt;/i&gt; beneficial.

As for the preparation method, it originally involved saying an incantation over the substance to be diluted, weighing the proportions (sometimes in scales made of precious metals), mixing slowly, then shaking ten times front-to-back, ten times side-to-side and ten times up-and-down (known collectively as &quot;agitation&quot;), then saying another incantation.

One by one, the various features of this process were dropped, and now modern homeopathic labs just mix and shake (not in the prescribed way). It would be ludicrously slow and cost-inefficient to mix the classical way.

As for the stimulation you mention to provoke the body&#039;s reaction against the original toxin, the notion may have been based on the observation that drinking alcohol is a treatment for a hangover. Or that some poisons, taken in small doses, cause vomiting, which can purge the stomach of &lt;i&gt;other&lt;/i&gt; poisons. Or indeed that frequently consuming very small amounts of a poison can build up immunity to it.

All these perfectly valid observations, if extrapolated further, sound kind-of logical, but are of course invalid. Folk medicine tends to be based on this kind of reasoning, and one time out of every hundred might get it right. The rest of the time it&#039;s ineffective and sometimes lethal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;active ingredient&#8221; in homeopathic sleeping pills is usually caffine. The earliest forms of homeopathy recommended giving the victim of a rabid dog bite a dilute solution of the rabid dog&#8217;s saliva. A varient recommended eating the literal &#8220;hair of the dog that bit you&#8221;, and we retain the idiom today.</p>
<p>Sometimes, when people refer to conventional medicines being used &#8220;homeopathically&#8221; they mean &#8220;in a highly dilute form&#8221;, but this is a metaphorical use of the term. Samuel Hahnemann himself used the example of Arsenic being deadly in large amounts, less deadly in small amounts, and used as an aphrodisiac and angina treatment in very small doses, because it makes the blood rush.</p>
<p>It makes a kind of limited sense. If large doses kill and small doses are actually <i>beneficial</i>, then maybe <i>very</i> small doeses are <i>very</i> beneficial.</p>
<p>As for the preparation method, it originally involved saying an incantation over the substance to be diluted, weighing the proportions (sometimes in scales made of precious metals), mixing slowly, then shaking ten times front-to-back, ten times side-to-side and ten times up-and-down (known collectively as &#8220;agitation&#8221;), then saying another incantation.</p>
<p>One by one, the various features of this process were dropped, and now modern homeopathic labs just mix and shake (not in the prescribed way). It would be ludicrously slow and cost-inefficient to mix the classical way.</p>
<p>As for the stimulation you mention to provoke the body&#8217;s reaction against the original toxin, the notion may have been based on the observation that drinking alcohol is a treatment for a hangover. Or that some poisons, taken in small doses, cause vomiting, which can purge the stomach of <i>other</i> poisons. Or indeed that frequently consuming very small amounts of a poison can build up immunity to it.</p>
<p>All these perfectly valid observations, if extrapolated further, sound kind-of logical, but are of course invalid. Folk medicine tends to be based on this kind of reasoning, and one time out of every hundred might get it right. The rest of the time it&#8217;s ineffective and sometimes lethal.</p>
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		<title>By: Ulrich Mohrhoff</title>
		<link>http://koantum.wordpress.com/2007/03/21/homeopathy/#comment-1758</link>
		<dc:creator>Ulrich Mohrhoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 00:40:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have never encountered the notion that the effects of the diluted substance become &lt;em&gt;reversed&lt;/em&gt;. The theory is that the diluted substance stimulates the organism to react against whatever causes the same symptoms as the undiluted substance. Moreover, dilution by itself doesn&#039;t do the trick. It&#039;s the specific manner in which substances are diluted (&quot;potentized&quot;).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have never encountered the notion that the effects of the diluted substance become <em>reversed</em>. The theory is that the diluted substance stimulates the organism to react against whatever causes the same symptoms as the undiluted substance. Moreover, dilution by itself doesn&#8217;t do the trick. It&#8217;s the specific manner in which substances are diluted (&#8221;potentized&#8221;).</p>
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		<title>By: Kapitano</title>
		<link>http://koantum.wordpress.com/2007/03/21/homeopathy/#comment-1757</link>
		<dc:creator>Kapitano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2007 19:48:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Homeopathy relies on the notion that the effects of the diluted substance become more &lt;i&gt;reversed&lt;/i&gt; the greater the dilution. The &quot;memory of water&quot; cannot not account for this.

There is also the small issue that any sample of water has had millions of substances diluted in it over its history, retaining the imprint of all - if it does indeed possess a memory. It&#039;s strange how only those memories created by homeopathic practicioners are have an effect - if they do.

One would expect ordinary tapwater to kill and cure the drinker thousands of times over, given how many memories it must contain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Homeopathy relies on the notion that the effects of the diluted substance become more <i>reversed</i> the greater the dilution. The &#8220;memory of water&#8221; cannot not account for this.</p>
<p>There is also the small issue that any sample of water has had millions of substances diluted in it over its history, retaining the imprint of all &#8211; if it does indeed possess a memory. It&#8217;s strange how only those memories created by homeopathic practicioners are have an effect &#8211; if they do.</p>
<p>One would expect ordinary tapwater to kill and cure the drinker thousands of times over, given how many memories it must contain.</p>
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